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| The Marx Brothers in Animal Crackers, screening October 27th at the Egyptian Theatre |
The American Cinematheque’s Egyptian Theatre in Hollywood is
screening the restored “Animal Crackers” and some Marxian rarities on Thursday,October 27 at 7:30 PM. Author Robert S.
Bader will be signing copies of his new book, Four of the Three Musketeers:The Marx Brothers on Stage and will introduce the evening. I recently chatted with Bader on the book (by the way, there’s
an excerpt of the book featured on the Blu-ray set) and the appeal of the Marx
Brothers.
SUSAN KING: Did you
choose Animal Crackers to show at the Egyptian?
Robert Bader: Yes, absolutely. It’s the one where they found
the missing material. There’s really fun stuff. When the move got reissued in
the ‘70s it had a lot of jump cuts and things were clearly missing.
There's a scene where
they're going to the bridge game where Margaret Irving walks into the frame and
Harpo - he pulls her underwear out from the top of her dress with his teeth.
SUSAN KING: When was
that cut?
Robert Bader: In 1936. Post-Hayes Code, definitely. I read
the script, so I know what was missing.
There are a couple of the edits that were done so deftly that you
wouldn't notice anything missing unless you read the script, and then there are
the ones where there's just a mess of jump cuts. There's probably something
missing like the line in the ‘Captain Spaulding’ where he sings, "I think
I'll try and make her."
SUSAN KING: You are
also showing rarities at the Cinematheque?
Robert Bader: We're going to show some rare clips. I am
going to make this a surprise, I hope.
SUSAN KING: Why did
you call the book, Four of the Three Musketeers: The Marx Brothers on Stage?
Robert Bader: The ‘Four of the Three Musketeers’ is a song that was in
the stage version of Animal Crackers. It didn't make it into the movie. It
became a very popular piece of their act. When they went into some vaudeville
revues after that and were billed as the ‘Musketeers of Mirth.’ This became like a catch phrase ‘Four of the
Three Musketeers.’
SUSAN KING: It’s
pretty amazing to think the brothers had been on stage for over 20 years before
they starred in The Cocoanuts, which was based on their hit Broadway show.
ROBERT BADER: Oh, absolutely. Groucho went on stage in 1905
and had a 25-year stage career before they made movies. Harpo came in, in 1908.
Gummo got on stage in 1907. Chico was working by himself as early as probably
1906, '07.
SUSAN KING: When did Chico join the act?
ROBERT BADER: He was doing vaudeville on his own with a
couple of partners and he joined the three Marx Brothers in 1912 to become the
Four Marx Brothers.
SUSAN KING: What about Zeppo?
ROBERT BADER: Gummo went into the army in 1918, right at the
end of World War I. Zeppo at the age of around 17 took Gummo's place.
SUSAN KING: Zeppo is almost non-existent in Animal
Crackers.
ROBERT BADER: There's a lot of stuff that got cut out from
the stage play where it involved the group as a foursome. The act on stage
often had a lot of material with all four of them working together in a
bit. In the early films, there's a lot
of two shots.
SUSAN KING: Zeppo was kind of cursed with the fact that he
had to go and take Gummo's place, Gummo who didn't want to be a performer,
wasn't a very good performer. Zeppo had much more ability than he was ever
allowed to show in the act.
ROBERT BADER: At least in Monkey Business he has a pretty
good role. I think Horse Feathers, Monkey Business, and Duck Soup are Zeppo's better pictures. He had a lot more to
do because those were originally written for the screen and I think the writers
were cognizant of the fact that [the brothers] worked very well as a quartet.
SUSAN KING: When they were on Broadway doing The Cocoanuts and Animal Crackers, did the brothers keep changing the dialogue?
ROBERT BADER: The legend is that they ad-libbed quite a bit.
There’s the famous [legend] George S. Kaufman was in the back of the theater
during Cocoanuts and he said, ‘hold on a second, I think I just heard one of
the original lines!’ The truth is they stuck with the script as much as they
could, but they would add jokes. Some of it's been documented because you can
compare the script for something like I'll Say She Is, their first Broadway
show.
It was late in the run of I'll Say She Is, they were
competing with a lot of other shows and they would do things like discount
tickets because they had a very large theater. They could sell $1.50 tickets
and get a ton of people in there. Down the street they were having the roadshow
of the movie The Ten Commandments. There's a line in the theatrical manager
sketch in that show where someone asks Groucho, what has your theatrical
experience been? The original line is, ‘Last season I was with The Covered
Wagon. I played the axel grease.’ [editor’s note: Coincidentally, both The Ten Commandments and The Covered Wagon opened at the Egyptian Theatre in 1923]
Now when The Ten Commandments was playing down the street,
he changed the line. Groucho wrote this line- ‘What's your theatrical
experience?’ and Groucho goes, "The other day I saw The Eight
Commandments. The guy says, "Don't you mean The Ten Commandments? Groucho goes, ‘No, no, I sat behind a post.’
SUSAN KING: There’s always the legend that Margaret Dumont
was clueless as to what was going on in the plays and films she did with the
brothers?
ROBERT BADER: She was not clueless at all. She was a perfect
straight woman.
She was brought to the Marx Brothers by the producer Sam
Harris, who was the partner of George M. Cohan. Margaret Dumont was in a George
M. Cohan play called The Rise of Rosie O’Reilly, Sam Harris, when he started
working with the Marx Brothers a couple of years later, thought she'd be
perfect for them. He brought her in and, obviously, she did the two Broadway
shows and seven movies.
SUSAN KING: When the Marx Brothers, minus Zeppo - who left
after Duck Soup - came to Hollywood to make movies, didn’t they try
out scenes for audiences before they made the movie?
ROBERT BADER: Once they got to MGM, one of the things they
really wanted to do was test out the stuff in front of an audience. They did a
brief tour, just a few weeks, of scenes from A Night at the Opera. They
did it again for A Day at the Races.
They took about five scenes from each film. They just honed those lines. They had a writer with them. In the case of A Night at the Opera, it was Morrie Ryskind accompanying them on the tour. They would try new lines, move things in and out. It was basically writing the script with the help of an audience.
SUSAN KING: Though A Night at the Opera and A Day At the Races the brothers made at MGM are classics, the rest of the films they made for the studio are major disappointments. What happened?
ROBERT BADER: Irving Thalberg signed them to his own MGM
contract. In the contract was a clause that if Mr. Thalberg is unavailable for
30 days or whatever it was, the Marx Brothers can exercise the termination of
the contract. Well, when Thalberg died, they were in the middle of making A
Day at the Races. The Marx Brothers, upon completion of A Day at the Races, terminated the contract and left MGM of their own free will because they didn't
like the future with Louis B. Mayer, who just was known to not like them. They
made a deal to film Room Service at RKO and they actually signed a
three-picture deal with RKO.
They got a huge amount of money. They got the most money
they'd ever been paid for one picture for making Room Service. RKO had spent the most money ever to buy the
rights to a stage play for this film. This got a lot of hype, a lot of press,
and it was a big money film. Before it even got finished, Louis B. Mayer got
nervous because A Night at the Opera had been very successful and A Day at
the Races was making a ton of money while this was all going on. He realized
he just lost the Marx Brothers. What he did was, he signed them to a
three-picture deal that would allow them to make the other two pictures at RKO.
SUSAN KING: Then Room Service bombs.
ROBERT BADER: Room Service comes out, it's not great, it
doesn't do well, and Mayer says, ‘oh great, now I've got these guys
signed.’ He put them in the B picture
unit. As it turned out, RKO was so disappointed in Room Service they never
even asked them to make the other two pictures.
SUSAN KING: Five years after 1941’s The Big Store the
three brothers reunited for A Night in Casablanca, which is their best film
since Day at the Races.
ROBERT BADER: I do love A Night in Casablanca.
The Marx Brothers went on the road and did a small tour of
the West Coast after that. That tour turned
out to be the last ever stage performances of the Marx Brothers.
Veteran journalist Susan King wrote about entertainment at the Los Angeles Times for 26 years (January 1990 - March 2016), specializing in classic Hollywood stories. She also wrote about independent, foreign and studio movies and occasionally TV and theater stories. She received her master's degree in film history and criticism at USC. After working 10 years at the L.A. Herald Examiner, she moved to the Los Angeles Times.